MRCI,
The moot reason for Kampte and his colleagues went in a jeep is because thery never understood the gravity of the situation.At this senior level no supirior will ordeer them to go like that.They took every thing so lightly,went to the site as if going for a picnic and paid the price with their lives.
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The moot reason for Kampte and his colleagues went in a jeep is because thery never understood the gravity of the situation.At this senior level no supirior will ordeer them to go like that.They took every thing so lightly,went to the site as if going for a picnic and paid the price with their lives.
navnith
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Hi Sarbjit:
Agree with the real question except the ***** preceding the alphabet – which does not behove any organisation or individuals.
Just a thought.
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Vinita Deshmukh's version
http://news.rediff.com/special/2009/nov/25/anniversary-26-11-vinita-kamte-unravels-mystery-about-her-husbands-death.htm
and there's the other version
http://www.countercurrents.org/hansa130510.htm
But the real question
IF Sentries are used as servants
IF Police are used as sentries
IF ATS and NSG are used as police
IF Army is used as ats/nsg
THEN who the f**** is guarding our borders ?
needs to be answered first !
http://news.rediff.com/special/2009/nov/25/anniversary-26-11-vinita-kamte-unravels-mystery-about-her-husbands-death.htm
and there's the other version
http://www.countercurrents.org/hansa130510.htm
But the real question
IF Sentries are used as servants
IF Police are used as sentries
IF ATS and NSG are used as police
IF Army is used as ats/nsg
THEN who the f**** is guarding our borders ?
needs to be answered first !
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM, MRCI - Ramesh Patil <mrciin@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
The most pertinent Q "WHY did TOP cops were travelling in 1 Jeep "Does SOP/Police Manual permit such adventure?mr Kamte was no where connected directly Neither he was Jt CP of Law and Order nor Chief of ATC-Who instructed him to rush from Res to site where Terrorists were positioned?Simple common sense and practice folloed in Corporate world " No 2/3 Directors of co.are allowed to travel together in the same flight" So why this lapse and who is responsible?flight One must read the book by Vinita deshmukh
MRCI
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC++] NEGLECT OF ARMED FORCESWell I wouldn't equate use of the Army in J&K with Operation BlueStar.
The 2 situations are quite different.
What I would point to is the following:-
IF Sentries are used as servants
IF Police are used as sentries
IF ATS and NSG are used as police
IF Army is used as ats/nsg
THEN who the f**** is guarding our borders ?
Will somebody in Govt. also answer the basic questions (before Ajay Dixit does)
1) How did Kasab &co escape in the ATS vehicle ?
2) Why did NSG not sanitise the area outside Taj Hotel and clear out Barkha Dutt &Co ?
3) Why did Karkare appear distinctly nervous on TV
when he was putting on his flak jacket ?
4) How high do the moles in Govt go ?
Sarbajit
National Convenor IACOn Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/+500%And Kashmir is ongoing too. Not like the Army had a choice, but what should have been a use of force to quell militancy and create space for a political initiative seems to have taken the easy path of using the forces to keep Kashmir in a kind of limbo.So if is a bizarrely disconnected situation. Government initiatives don't translate into good will in the absense of vision and resentment of an overwhelmingly powerful permanent presence telling them a story of mistrust. The Army is not police. Period. You can't simply park the Army there and forget it.Surrounded by civilians who could also be enemies, the stress is extremely high and results in angry brutality against civilians and suicides among soldiers as well as angry civilians, some of whom are so fixated on getting rid of this imposition and getting rid of India, that they will not allow themselves or others to be happy till that is achieved.The AFSPA further complicates things. In reality, it isn't so much the AFSPA as the impunity. Desperate to keep frustrated soldiers from rebellion, the government and Army turn a blind eye to many mistakes - at the cost of locals.It gives rise to a whole bunch of do-gooders who are less about solutions and more about wanting "fashionably contrary" things to happen.Not to mention the phenomenal toll - financial, social and psychological where the polarized politics itself adds to the perception of Kashmir being separate.When the dust settles, it will be the Army blamed for the result - whatever it is - by whichever side. *If* it settles, or there will only be entire generations lost to a limbo born in political cowardice.Vidyut--
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
One of the biggest mistakes the Army
made was participating in Operation Bluestar. It was a policing
problem - it should have been sorted out by the MHA.
Vidyut Kale
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