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BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: RamdevJaipur | Mar 31, 2013BJP should project Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its leader in the next Lok Sabha elections and change its priorities if it wants to return to power, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said today.
He said that Congress can not return to power due to its anti-people policies but BJP can do it provided it changed its priorities.
"There is some possibility and space for BJP if it changes priorities and thinks about projecting Narendra Modi in next Lok Sabha elections," Ramdev said at a press conference here.
"Modi emerged as a robust leader who has become icon of development and courage and has zero tolerance for corruption but the final decision for his projection is to be taken by the BJP and Sangh," he said.
He said the country today is facing a leadership crisis and people are looking at individuals instead of political parties to bring about a positive change in politics.
"We believe that this will take place and the upcoming Lok Sabha election will be decisive in this direction," he said.
He alleged that the government could not take the issues of corruption and black money to a logical conclusion and that Congress has has no chance of forming the next government at the centre as it has betrayed the people.
"Congress has lost confidence among masses. So many scams worth crores of rupees have come to light and people will not vote for the party," he said.
He accused the Congress of misusing the CBI against its political rivals. "What SP Chief Mulayam Singh Yadav said against Congress and CBI is true," he said.
When asked about the possibility of coming together of all like-minded individuals like Anna Hazare, he said building up social and political pressure was necessary to bring a change in system.
"Anna is a good person but he wants to stay away from politics. Building up political pressure along with social pressure is necessary to change the system. Laws are made and amended in Parliament and not by saints or monks and social activist," he said.
Ramdev, who was in the city to hold meetings with his workers, said he was on a mission to play a big role in Lok Sabha election though he himself will not contest election.
"There should be our, at least, 300 members in parliament so that we can play decisive role and I am working in this direction," he said.Replying to a question about forming a political party, Ramdev said he was not in a position to comment on it but something conclusive will be announced in April or May.
He said that there are some good individuals in parties like Biju Janata Dal, Telugu Desam Party and Janata Dal (United).
There was a space in the nation for the third front, he said, adding that the situation will clear in some time.
He said that he will conduct mass meetings in May in Rajasthan.
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Re: [IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
I fully endorse with the opinion of Sri Baba Ramdevs opinion and it is not only his view it is the wishes of all people of this country who feel that Sri Narendra Modi can change the face of this great country. It is not by the congress party who ruled ruin and looted the wealth of this country .
I strongly feel that the I A C should come out to support him not because he is a B J P candidate but to give a good governence to our countries administration he is a strong able candidatewho can motivate youths,womens and appeal mass of this country .So please keep aside your petty egoism and communist minded politics for God sake (if you want to do really a good to this nation) Jai Bharath matha Ki
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Naishadh
Greetings to you
(d) can even be all the existing privileged classes like SC, ST, OBC, Muslims, Anglos etc. its not a big deal. It only means that money will be spent on them (through their leaders) so that they do not oppose withdrawal of reservations. Of course entire political class / parties will calculate the numbers and not a single one will publicly oppose withdrawal of reservations. So it needs a different strategy as the Kumar & Kumar Co. has shown us.
IAC does not hold any brief for Sanjay Dutt or his shenanigans. IAC only has a certain (very advanced) point of view on "arms for all" which is not intellectually palatable to honest / decent citizens at the present time.
Sufficeth to say that the leading intellectuals of HRA are united that India needs a 2nd Amendment, and that all citizens, especially minorities, need protection against the State if the State is to be scared of its citizens.
"Citizens should not be scared of their State, the State must be scared of its citizens".
Sarbajit
Greetings to you
(d) can even be all the existing privileged classes like SC, ST, OBC, Muslims, Anglos etc. its not a big deal. It only means that money will be spent on them (through their leaders) so that they do not oppose withdrawal of reservations. Of course entire political class / parties will calculate the numbers and not a single one will publicly oppose withdrawal of reservations. So it needs a different strategy as the Kumar & Kumar Co. has shown us.
IAC does not hold any brief for Sanjay Dutt or his shenanigans. IAC only has a certain (very advanced) point of view on "arms for all" which is not intellectually palatable to honest / decent citizens at the present time.
Sufficeth to say that the leading intellectuals of HRA are united that India needs a 2nd Amendment, and that all citizens, especially minorities, need protection against the State if the State is to be scared of its citizens.
"Citizens should not be scared of their State, the State must be scared of its citizens".
Sarbajit
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,Greetings.As on my part, I fully concur on your points stated at (a)(b)(c). However, point (d) needs to be refined in terms of what is "backward Groups"? -economically, socially, educationally etc.?On the Issue of Sanjay Dutt, I feel finality of SC judgment need to be disturbed just on the ground of a celebrity claiming fable pretext of self defence. Shanti Bhushan may gain fees or fame as a lawyer. Mr. Katju may embroil in political imbroglio. But IAC ought to take an intellectual stand on SC Judgment needing no review merely on the ground of Dutt claiming self defense or Zebunnisa claiming humanitarian sympathetic ground.Regards,-Joshi NM
[IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
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BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
I would like to point out the fact that Sanjay Dutt was / ( is ?) a drug addict. How many of us would feel safe to stay in a place where drug addicts have number of AK 56 & grenades stocked at their place ?
Please consider the following
1) Recently on 11 th Augst 2012 , muslim rioters attacked mumbai police on broad day light, molested about 10 police women , burned a number of police & media vans. not even 10 minutes of waling distance of Bombay High Court - --my RTI applications to police , complaint to National Commission for Women is not eliciting any reply. We do not see any action whatsoever on the rioters.
2) In Maharashtra Legislative Assembly about a week ago , MLAS beat up a cop & now it seems the CCTV cameras posted in the place , have not captured clear images so one can not identify the attacking MLAs.
With this in the background, - wherein Mumbai Police & Police women themselves are being targeted & not able to defend themselves- who will protect ordinary citizens & their mothers, sisters, wives, daughters etc.
Will they be allowed legally to carry a few Assault rifles or a dozen grenades without license (- as argued by Sarabjt ji in self defense as the state has failed to protect its own police & police women -) wherever they go ?
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Date: Saturday, 30 March, 2013, 2:38 PM
The usual wepons of self defence for a citizen under threat shoud not be AK47 rifle. but a smaller weapon. Devinder
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Date: Friday, 29 March, 2013, 8:41 PM
There does not have to be a physical attack for someone to retaliate in self defence. The threats (by Shive Sainaks???) and its fear would be taken as real and any measures to counter would be treated as taken in self defence. One does not see any doubt in this due to his parents social and political activities. Sanjay is convicted for having weapons illegally and also from a dubious source. If he had gone to the local police authority for a licence to have weapons and got them through a licence weapon supplier, there would have been no case to answer. DevinderFrom: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@yahoo.co.in>
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Date: Friday, 29 March, 2013, 5:47 PM
Millions of Indian born in and around 1970 have very little idea how did Sanjay behave in hisown family. His father did what a typical father had been taught by the ancestors. The fact ofthe matter is that even many parents are not applying common sense in parenting even today.Having said that the arguments presented by Mr. Tewari on behalf of Shanti Bhushan, a strongpillar of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), are like opening another pandora box. If every one start doingwhat Mr. Shanti Bhushan have suggested, there will be no law & order at all. Was there any Hinducaught defending like Sanjay? And, if a Hindu alleged by law officers, every one knows the out come.Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:16:49 +0530 From: wide.aware@gmail.com To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !1. had the state failed to protect Sanjay Dutt?Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in2. How come he has been safe all through in spite of being accused of terrorism and being out of jail most of the time?3. What about the hand grenades, witness testimonies that he asked a gangster to "do something" about the riots, providing support for the arms haul to be unpacked from concealed compartment and repacked into bags? He provided tools, safe location as well as bags.4. A full seven years after the fact, he was still intercepted courting a gangster and introducting "fans"5. What happened of the 2 AK-56s and hand grenades he had taken - in the sense of how did he get exonerated of that and his sole "mistake" seems to be one assault weapon for self-defense?That said, why were others who got weapons from that haul not prosecuted? Sharad Pawar says they chose not to. Why?The role of Shiv Sena, Sanjay Dutt and the gangsters is highly incestuous. They go around rioting, but Sarpotdar has WITH HIM a top hitman of the same gang as well as illegal weapons provided by a gangster network led by a Muslim. Said Gang later bombs innocents in "retaliation" for the riots in which their member too had armed and hobnobbed with perpetrators. Then, Sanjay Dutt gets into trouble motivated by the same riots and Shiv Sena saves his skin for fee, though obviously they had to be among the top intended recipients of any action said assault weapon got. Sanjay Dutt's relations with gangsters continue, including saving Vidhu Vinod Chopra from an extortion racket by telling Anees Ibrahim to lay off because he was among the few who supported him when he went to prison.Now, hearing the news of his sentencing, Shiv Sena went into default "save Sanjay Dutt" mode, but find their outrage and change loyalties on a dime at some point.The only thing I accept about Sanjay Dutt was that he was a fool and got into it for exactly the reasons he claimed. The others Shiv Sena in the riots as well as the Gand retaliating on "behalf of Muslims" were strategically in bed with each other while outwardly claiming outrage for "their" side of the line and killing unrelated innocents - largely to radicalize people and consolidate power.That said, Sanjay Dutt was stupid, but most definitely illegal in his actions.VidyutOn Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Naveen
Shri Shanti Bhushan has laid down the LAW.
You can argue with Mr. Bhushan but you cannot argue with the LAW.
If the State fails to protect a person, he is in his rights to acquire ALL MEANS REQUIRED TO DEFEND HIS LIFE
Mr,. Bhushan ECHOES IAC when we stand for right to bear arms freely and defend ourselves.
Mr. Bhushan's legal basis is IDENTICAL with IAC's because IPC is a 150 year old law almost as old as IAC (or Mr. Bhushan)
Sarbajit
Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear All,Shanti Bhushan has certainly gone beyond senility and is showing signs of Dementia. His long article in the Hindu of 26th march is the latest example of that. Here he is with all his remnant legal acumen misplaced to the hilt, arguing for a summary reprieve for Sanjay Dutt. In this venture mr. Bhushan quoted the judgment of the supreme court wherein the court has mentioned that Sanjay Dutt's reason for possessing those prohibited guns and arsenal was self defence. Mr. Bhushan argues that it is not a crime to defend oneself even if the ammunition possessed by one is without licence.What a wonderful logic by this legal luminary who was once our Law Minister. I can only feel ashamed as an Indian that people of such calibre find there way to top positions in the country where they can play with the destiny of the people of this country. I am also deeply distressed that such people still manage to find a place in the public discourse no matter what level of atrophy their brain has reached.The Hindu, my most favourite newspaper, is also springing surprises like these every now and then.I request you all to read this article by Shanti Bhushan and react to it.regardsnaveen tewari
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[IAC#RG] पारदर्शी एवं स्वच्छ शासन – सूचना का अधिकार- अधिकारियों की शक्तियों का प्रकाशन
माननीय अध्यक्ष,
राज्य सभा,
नई दिल्ली -110 001
मान्यवर,
पारदर्शी एवं स्वच्छ शासन – सूचना का अधिकार- अधिकारियों की शक्तियों का प्रकाशन
कृपया उक्त प्रसंग में मेरे पूर्व निवेदन दिनांक 17.03.2013 का सन्दर्भ लें जिसके माध्यम आपसे निवेदन किया गया था कि पारदर्शी एवम भ्रष्टाचारमुक्त शासन के लिए शक्तियों के प्रयोग करने में पारदर्शिता और समय मानक निर्धारित होना आवश्यक है क्योंकि विलम्ब भ्रष्टाचार की जननी है| इस दिशा में सूचना का अधिकार अधिनियम की धारा 4 (1) (b) (ii) में सभी स्तर के अधिकारियों की शक्तियां स्वप्रेरणा से प्रकाशित करना बाध्यता है किन्तु सदन सचिवालय ने इसकी अभी तक अनुपालना नहीं की है और सचिवगण अपनी शक्तियों के अतिक्रमण में निर्णय ले रहे हैं व नीतिगत मामलों में जन परिवेदनाओं को, बिना किसी सक्षम जनप्रतिनिधि/प्रभारी की अनुमति के, सचिव स्तर पर ही निस्संकोच निरस्त कर दिया जाता है|
- माननीय सदन ने जो भी आंशिक सूचना अधिनियम की धारा 4 के अनुसरण में प्रकाशित कर रखी है वह बिखरी हुई है व एक स्थान पर उपलब्ध नहीं होने से नागरिकों के लिए दुविधाजनक है| माननीय सदन ने धारा 4(1)(b)(i) से लेकर 4(1)(b)(xvii) तक की भावनात्मक अनुपालना नहीं की है और धारा 4 (1) (b) (ii) की तो बिलकुल भी अनुपालना नहीं की है| अत: अब धारा 4 (1) (b) (ii) की अनुपालना की जाये और धारा 4 से सम्बंधित समस्त सूचना एक ही स्थान पर समेकित कर बिन्दुवार/धारा –उपधारावार सहज दृश्य रूप में प्रदर्शित करने की व्यवस्था की जाये ताकि सुनिश्चित हो सके कि सभी प्रावधानों की अनुपालना कर दी गयी है व कोई प्रावधान अनुपालना से छूटा नहीं है|
- आप सदन के मुखिया हैं और सदन की समस्त निर्णायक शक्तियां आप में ही निहित हैं| आपको परामर्श देने और निर्णय में सहायता देने के लिए विभिन्न स्तर के सचिव और सदन की कमेटियां हैं किन्तु उन्हें किसी भी नियम, नीति सम्बद्ध विषय या नागरिकों के प्रतिवेदन/याचिका को स्वीकार करने का अधिकार नहीं है| स्वीकृति के साथ ही अस्वीकृति का अधिकार सम्मिलित है| अत: स्वस्प्ष्ट है कि किसी भी स्तर के सचिव को किसी जन प्रतिवेदन/याचिका को अन्तिमत: अस्वीकार करने का कोई अधिकार सदन के किसी कानून, नियम, अधिसूचना, आदेश आदि में नहीं दिया गया है और न ही लोकतांत्रिक शासन प्रणाली में ऐसा कोई अधिकार किसी सचिव को दिया जा सकता है|
- सरकार को निर्देश देने की शक्तियाँ भी आसन में ही समाहित हैं अत: ऐसे किसी निवेदन को सचिव स्तर पर नकारने का भी स्वाभाविक रूप से कोई अधिकार नहीं है| चूँकि प्रतिवेदन प्रस्तुत करने का यह अधिकार जनता को संविधान के अनुच्छेद 350 से प्राप्त है अत: इस मार्ग में बाधा उत्पन्न करने के लिए किसी भी आधार पर कोई भी सचिव प्राधिकृत नहीं है| यदि कोई प्रकरण वास्तव में स्वीकृति योग्य नहीं पाया जाए तो उसका अंतिम निर्णय भी सक्षम समिति या आसन ही कर सकता है|
अत: आपसे करबद्ध निवेदन है कि सदन की कार्यवाहियों की पवित्रता और श्रेष्ठता की सुरक्षा के लिए समस्त अधिकारियों को तदनुसार निर्दिष्ट किया जाए और उनकी प्रशासनिक/निर्णायक शक्तियों/क्षेत्राधिकार को माननीय सदन की वेबसाइट पर सहज दृश्य रूप में प्रदर्शित किया जाए| अति कृपा होगी|
सादर,
भवनिष्ठ
मनीराम शर्मा दिनांक: 31.03.2013
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Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Some people have the habit of never admitting reality. Did anybody ever agree or even confess what lead to the horrible Bombay riots.and the blasts that shattered Mumbai in end 1992 early 1993, following the destruction of the Babri Masjid.on December 6 1992.which killed 253 people and injured 713 more. not to talk about property worth thousands of crores destroyed. The Srikrishna Commission report clearly indicted Shive Sena supremo Bal Thackrey and the then chief minister Manohar Joshi and Sena MP Madhukar Sarpotdar along with several other politicians and a long list of policemen for the horrific riots that killed 900 and injured 2036 more. The report says that "there was no doubt that the Shiv Sena and Shiv Sainiks organised attacks on Muslims and their properties"And that Thakeray was the veteran general commanding his loyal Shiv Sainiks in this orchestrated sectarian violence.
It has been 15 years since the Srikrishna Commission report , none of its suggestions have been implemented nor even one of those indicted were punished. The police and politicians had been rewarded and Bal Thackrey the prime architect of the orgy of violence, remained a respected leader and got a state funeral when he died. Congressmen who lead the 1984 Sikh riots in Delhi have also not been punished. Narindra Modi who was once believed to be the architect of 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat is readying to become Prime minister. Do we see any double standards anywhere.
Unequal justice delivery hurts, angers and alienates communities. A country which takes pride in its secular credentials and rule of law and impartial judiciary is worried that if foolish Sanjay Dutt is granted pardon, it will mean double standards in our justice delivery.and a collapse of our social order. Devinder Thakur
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Some people have habit not to speak on the "facts" when provided and find some thing which is against Congress party culture. Basic fact is no Election for Congress Party President for the last nearly 15 years. It is still a "Democratic and Secular Decision".In UK people who are the target of "Racism" say Racism is "Overt and Covert" amongst the British. Could that be applied to Muslims in India? It is any one's own intellect and biases.Mohammed Ali Jinnah and Ali Brothers both were on the extreme ends of ideology initially BUT what happened at the end is evident in History. One does not need to be genius to understand it. Dr. AmbekarOn 29 Mar 2013, at 18:45, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Ehsan Jaffry was not a terrorist or a Muslim Gooda but a respectable legislator.He was a permanent target because he belonged to the Congress party and the Congress partly is ideological hated and so are all the Congress leaders For reference purposes, read the list of enemies in the website of the Hindu-unity.org.From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Mr Kumar
You fail to mention the following:-
In 1969 rioting Hindu mobs burnt down his Ehsan Jafri's house. he possessed weapons since that time. These wapons saved his life on several occasions.
In 2002 after the Godhra incident, once again a mob attacked his house, this time a very large mob armed with knivces, swords, guns and gas cylinders to be used as improvised bombs blasted their way into his house. 4 hours of calling everywhere for help did not bring relief. The mob had full police support and computer printouts of voters lists. Recorded calls to the DGP of Police brought no assistance. In such cases of a State Sponsored elimination pogrom, the minorities deserve to be armed with automatic weapons. If Jafri had these he would be alive today.
SarbajitOn Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Saturday, 30 March 2013
Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Hello!
Can someone just talk about the present?
I am seeking a change in the system and leadership.
I don't mind looking at options that may not be palatable to the intelligentsia which in any case is a minority in our country.
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Dear Kumar-ji
Once again you start a discussion from a point which suits you and use the old trick of "suppressio veri suggestio falsi".(suppress the truth to imply a falsehood).
1) In the 1969 Gujarat riots a Hindus policeman allegedly knocked over a cart containing Korans much before the Muslim policeman allegedly did something similar to a table having our Hindu holy books.
2) The temple cows had caused quite a bit of damage in the Muslim area they were passing through. I am sure you will agree with me that Ahmedabad, which I also knew fairly well during the 80's is always a powder keg because of its communally segregated areas and labour classes.waiting to be triggered. In fact Sardar Patel had vehemently opposed Nahru's plans to put communities into religious enclaves after Partition, knowing that exactly this situation would take place. The real Iron Man of India was a far-sighted person and it was a great pity that Gandhi did not allow him to advance.
3) Before explaining what Mr. Jafri did or did not do, it would be better if you explained why a Hindu mob was outside his Society in the first place and using gas cylinders to blast their way in to finish him off as per their list.
PS: The great characteristic of our Hindu religion is our extreme quest for the TRUTH.
SarbajitOn Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Sarabjitji,DO not spread outright lies. I have personally met the soft spoken MP from the area in 1970-80-s and he never complained of any Communal unrest in the Gomtipur area of the City where Gulbarg Society is situated and he commands respect in the entire area, even among Hindu-s, as he used to interact with all the families in his Constituency freely. I agree with Devinderji that he was a respectable Parliamentarian irrespective of his political affiliation.2. Sarabjitji, None of the Communal riots had affected Gulbarg Society until 2002 and the 1969 riots which was prolonged and thousands died during the week of free killings and witnessed by me moving all over the City during the curfew hours, legally with official authorization. The Police too ignored the possibility of riots there looking to the past history and serious riots already taking place elsewhere, the officers had to rush.It is false information that his house was attacked in 1969 riots or at any time before 2002, and try not to spread canards.3. The 1969 riots was provoked by Muslim thugs entering the Jagannath temple in Jamalpur and going right up to sanctum sanctorum and beating the Chief Priest, just because the Cows belonging to the temple had knocked down a Muslim boy going in a procession beating drums. Earlier a Muslim Police Inspector kicked the Ramayana when a discourse was going on in Raipur area and beat up the "Kathakar" as he did not stop the Katha at midnight.4. All riots are initiated by Muslims by their attacks on Hindu-s and Hindu temples and Hindu-s have never started riots on minor incidents of stabbings and throwing acid on Hindu girls refusing to be kidnapped by Muslims.5. What I wanted to emphasize here is that use of weapons on an enraged mob is inadvisable and Ehsan Jafri in a moment of rage used his weapon leading to the lynching by the mob, which was from outside the mohalla, and it was proved by the spent bullet found and confirmed by forensic lab. The topic in discussion was liberal laws demanded for gun licencing and I wanted to quote the incident in that context only.From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Ehsan Jaffry was not a terrorist or a Muslim Gooda but a respectable legislator.He was a permanent target because he belonged to the Congress party and the Congress partly is ideological hated and so are all the Congress leaders For reference purposes, read the list of enemies in the website of the Hindu-unity.org.From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Mr Kumar
You fail to mention the following:-
In 1969 rioting Hindu mobs burnt down his Ehsan Jafri's house. he possessed weapons since that time. These wapons saved his life on several occasions.
In 2002 after the Godhra incident, once again a mob attacked his house, this time a very large mob armed with knivces, swords, guns and gas cylinders to be used as improvised bombs blasted their way into his house. 4 hours of calling everywhere for help did not bring relief. The mob had full police support and computer printouts of voters lists. Recorded calls to the DGP of Police brought no assistance. In such cases of a State Sponsored elimination pogrom, the minorities deserve to be armed with automatic weapons. If Jafri had these he would be alive today.
SarbajitOn Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Re: [IAC#RG] HOW TO WEED OUT CRIMINALS FROM PARLIAMENT AND ASSEMBLIES ?
Who will give a falsified account and what for. He is not applying for job. The minimum things required is he should be an Indian and of a particular age for Assembly/Loksabha/Rajyasabha. Definitely you do not want any misinformation on such trivial issue be debarred. What we all want is criminals should not seep in. Is not it.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
Erm... did you read the link/links?On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Lalit Patnaik <lmpatnaik@gmail.com> wrote:
No ECI can debar whom you think as anti social.This isn't about anti social. It is about falsified accounts being submitted to the Election Commission. The accounts are a part of the process of contesting elections. It is not an "opinion" or "anti social". the question here is if *any* accounts will do, and they don't have to be true, what's the point of requiring them then? How can the Election Commission assure fair elections if major paid media happens to support a candidate and it cannot disqualify over it?Vidyut
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Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear mr. Chowdhery,
That's a good question ! Sarbajit must have an answer like he has for all questions.
Naveen
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As per shanti bhushan"If the State fails to protect a person, he is in his rights to acquire ALL MEANS REQUIRED TO DEFEND HIS LIFE"
Does it follow:If the State fails to provide justice, am I in my right to take law in my hand?
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
IAC wants the legal right for all citizens to bear arms freely. Like the 2nd Amendment of the USA. and Repeals of Arms Act etc.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Suresh Gupta <suresh.betterlife@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit,Do I read you correctly when you say that IAC stands for right to bear arms freely and defend ourselves? What you have not said is with or without license.S C Gupta
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Re: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Look at Gujarat. Narendra Mody, who himself is from backward Caste does not encourage anyone meeting him for any favour based on Caste or religion. He says, I have 5.2 Crore Gujarati-s and all of them will be treated equally. And they are now happier than the Congress discriminatory programmes earlier. Most of the Muslims even in Muslim majority Constituencies have voted for Mody now.
The Congress Govt. at Delhi castigates Mody for not utilizing the funds earmarked for Muslims and the Minorities Commission too made adverse observations against Mody for ignoring Muslims. But statistics show that Muslims are far advanced in Gujarat, economically and educationslly than all other States in India except Kerala where all children attend schools regularly since many decades and Muslims are no exception.
Remove all Reservations, appeasement policies oif providing funds as charity to any group, but provide education, training and job opportunities to all and there would be no dissatisfaction in the Community. UPA have been trying to foment Communal troubles in Gujarat but the local Muslims are so happy that they could live peacefully without any Communal riots since 10 years and the few trouble makers are selfish interests in Politics or immigrants from the BIMARU States who migrate for jobs to Gujarat.
Have you seen any Gujarati migrating to any other State for a job? But they do business all over the World with dignity and provide jobs to others, be it Ambani-s or Lalbhai-s.
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Subject: [media_monitor5] Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence !
Dear Sarabjit,
We are going tengential to main issue. Who uses fire arm under what cicumstances, is an un-ending discussion.
Ehsan Jafri "normally a peace loving man" got involved in communal riotous situation. Have we (our politicians / political leaders) ever thought why do communal riots take place at all. Answer is very simple.
So long we keep on talking minority, SCs, STs, OBC, reservations, quota, different civil laws for Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc., so called communal riots will continue to take place.
India is one country, which was earlier divided into many princely states. Hats off to those (almost all) kings and princes, who took no time (at the time of partition) to get united and decided to be called INDIAN.
But today our politiacians do not think India as one country. For them India comprises of pockets of VOTE BANKS. They keep on manupulating how to use the terms minority, OBC, SC, ST, reservations, quota etc to suit their porpose. Is there any need to mention Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Mandir or Masjid? Is it not enough that we are Indian.
Now a new term "SPECIAL STATUS" going to take its own importance. Is it not enough to say that we will ensure that our whole country gets a special status. Is it a matter to be proud to be Backward or belong to Backward State. Is it a matter of pride to ask for some personal benifit (in any foreign country) by declaring that I belong to a Backward country.
All the problems will come to an end if start thinking that we are Indian. There is a uniform civil code. No reservation. Whatever name you give - SC, Janjati, dhobi, nai, chamaar - all it means that you are talking about an untouchable. He is also an Indian. He should be given same status as of brahmin or any other citizen of my country. Why a special Status? Just to impress, that he is good for nothing unless he is branded SC. He can not compete with normal human being, unless he is given some Bakshish.
Why special favours miniorities? Hindus did not plead to Muslims at the time of partitions not to go Pakistan. Both, Hindus and Muslims of India had decided to be called Indian. Like Hindus, Muslims have not done any favour by not going to Pakistan. Why special status to Muslims?
The great people of so called Parsi community, have never asked any special consideration. Parsis are doing a great service to their country. This community has negligible representation in poilitics, but they are happy and satisfied. They dont have special madarsas. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Parsis dont have schools excusively for their respective community? Why muslims are allowed to have madarsas?
Unless we are all Indian with same civil status, we will keep on having communal riots, hatred for each other. Please stop it.
SK Chadda
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:50 PM, S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Possessing or using a firearm in riotous situations is dangerous and may cause death to the user of the weapon. Such situations call for calmness and tactfulness in dealing with the agitated mobs.In 2002, Ehsan Jafri, a former MP from Gujarat faced a totally unknown riotous mob agitated over burning of 59 Hindu pilgrims in the Sleeper Coach a Godhra. Normally a peace loving man, Jaffri came out of the house and when the mob was shouting, instead of pacifying them, he took out his weapon and fired at the mob. The already agitated mob got into a frenzy an lynched him to death.Unless absolutely necessary to protect oneself in situations of performing one's duties or extensive travels at untimely hours outside the populated areas, one should not carry the dangerous weapons and face situations where that might be used.From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:57 PMSubject: Re: [IAC#RG] Shanti Bhushan in Sanjay Dutt's Defence ! When Communal riots are taking place and you are the target, I hope you remember your brave words for section 99 IPC. Section IPC essentially says that a citizen shall have to bear all the zulm and brutality of any public servant acting under the colour of his office unless it is likely to cause death or grievous hurt -EVEN IF THE.PUBLIC SERVANT IS NOT ACTING STRICTLY WITHIN THE LAW The net result of clauses like section 99 is that public servants have been elevated to positions where they cannot be questioned or bashed up. Sarbajit Shri Shanti Bhushan has laid down the LAW. You can argue with Mr. Bhushan but you cannot argue with the LAW. If the State fails to protect a person, he is in his rights to acquire ALL MEANS REQUIRED TO DEFEND HIS LIFE Mr,. Bhushan ECHOES IAC when we stand for right to bear arms freely and defend ourselves. Mr. Bhushan's legal basis is IDENTICAL with IAC's because IPC is a 150 year old law almost as old as IAC (or Mr. Bhushan) Sarbajit Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
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